[OrRando] Nutrition

Wed May 23 21:22:30 PDT 2007

It's the preride meal that gets you off to a good start.
I know what works for breakfast before a Dart, see it here at
http://passhunting.blogspot.com/
PS: My favorite food on the 400k ws the cold spaghetti at the quick stop in
Harrisburg. A fistful of pasta fit for a king.

Jon

On 5/23/07, Michael Ford <mcford100 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>  OK, I'm in! Now where's that canvas TA handlebar bag...
>
> Mike
> www.michaelcurtisford.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jkeenan(Yahoo Account) <jkeenan0407 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Oregon area Randonneurs <orrando at tire.patch.com>
>  *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>
> Michael,
>
> Nope..I was serious... I think a Retro Rando would be fun.  Don't know how
> others feel about it, but something different.   Okay..maybe I've been in
> China too long!!
>
> And although I designed a plastic Randonneurs of China jersey, my first
> thought was wool.   Maybe next year.
>
> When it comes to nutrition, it's really a tough thing to recommend and my
> advice has always been try, try, and try and find out what works best for
> "ye".
>
> No animals were harmed in this exchange (grin)
>
> Cheers
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Ford <mcford100 at msn.com>
> *To:* Oregon area Randonneurs <orrando at tire.patch.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:10 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>
> Yikes--I know you were writing tongue-in-cheek, Joe, but the impression
> from your response and from Susan's is that I came across as an uber
> retro-grouch who's against all progress because it's, well, progress.
> Actually, I ride an unlugged ti frame with a carbon fork, indexed shifting
> and clip-in pedals, and I have enough plastic bike jerseys to fill a closet.
> OK, I admit, I've been sighted here and there wearing my wool OR Rando
> jersey. Just don't tell anybody.
>
> I know I strayed somewhat off-topic, because obviously Ray had tried solid
> foods, they didn't work for him, and he was asking for advice on liquid
> alternatives.
>
> However, Ray's situation aside, I do think the need for processed energy
> foods and drinks is vastly ove - , and that perceptions are often created by
> the intense hype and marketing of the energy food companies. Which is not to
> say these products are not helpful to some people (obviously, many on this
> list). Nevertheless, it should be respectfully pointed out, especially to
> those just getting into distance cycling, that liquid foods are not a
> prerequisite for good performance, or for having a good time on the bike,
> and that many riders can do just as well, and more cheaply, by brown-bagging
> it or by purchasing wisely at restaurants and convenience stores. Indeed, if
> they're trying to find their groove on the bike, and experimenting with
> Spitzs and Hammers and Heeds and the like, they might also do well to
> experiment with a light cold-cut sandwich, a Payday bar, a fruit yogurt, or
> (my favorite) a Baggy full of fresh dates (they'll give you more of a rush
> than caffeine Goo, and are easily digestible).
>
> Mike
> www.michaelcurtisford.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jkeenan(Yahoo Account) <jkeenan0407 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Oregon area Randonneurs <orrando at tire.patch.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:44 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>
> Michael,
>
> I love your ideas, but technology changes things, including the bikes we
> ride along with the added convenience today of food marts in everything from
> a bar to a gas station.
>
> Hmm.. a "Retro Rando" where you can only eat in actual food establishments
> and have to carry only what "they" did a 100 years ago.   So Susan.....how
> about a "Retro Rando" in 2008 with no food stocked controls, no clipless
> pedals, and (what else could be "retro"),  but during the summer so I can
> ride. (grin)
>
> Cheers
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Ford <mcford100 at msn.com>
> *To:* Oregon area Randonneurs <orrando at tire.patch.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:05 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>
> I don't know, guys. This whole "liquid diet" thing seems to veer way
> beyond the definition of randonneuring (at least _my_ definition of
> randonneuring) and perilously close to the domain of ultra-distance racing,
> or something. To me, part of the pleasure of long-distance, self-supporting
> cycling is to be able to pop into that out-of-the way greasy spoon and
> sample some blueberry pie, or stop by a nearby Subway and get a six-incher
> with extra jalapenos. Even a brown banana out of a jersey pocket is, for me,
> 100 times preferable to a bottle of some packaged, powdered,
> chemical Franken-drink, and a simple 50/50 mixture of water and
> calcium-fortified OJ has probably 90% of the benefits of a commercial sports
> drink, lacking perhaps only the added protein (which I can get much more
> pleasurably from a peanut-butter sandwich in a ziploc bag).
>
> Of course the key to successfully assimilating solid foods while riding is
> to nibble constantly, rather than eat an actual "meal" at any one time.
>
> That said, I often bring along drink powders and/or packages of gel for
> supplements or emergencies. I rarely use them, however, and often end up
> throwing them away simply for reasons of expired shelf life. Somehow,
> randonneurs survived quite nicely without these products for a hundred years
> or so. Unless I qualify for RAAM (not!), I really don't see a need for them.
>
> Mike
> www.michaelcurtisford.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* daveread at comcast.net
> *To:* Oregon area Randonneurs <orrando at tire.patch.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>
> Hi Ray, I used to suffer from the sour stomach syndrome on 600K+ rides.  I
> have found the following things helpful for me (your mileage may vary).
>
> 1) Staying away from simple sugars like Coke, candy, cookies,
> etc. (although I make an exception for chocolate milk).
> 2) Limiting my intake of sports bars like cliff bars and power bars.  I
> still eat them but I try to mix them in with other stuff.
> 3) Taking a zantac or something similar if my stomach starts to feel
> strange.  Peptobysmil tablets have helped too.
> 4) Hammer Gel and Perpetum work well for me but I have been thinking about
> trying spitz.
> 5) Eating good nutritious solid foods and staying away from fast/junk
> food.
> 6) I tried the liquid diet thing but found I just stayed too hungry even
> with enough calories.
> 7) Hot coffee can sometimes cause me problems.
>
> Hope that helps.  Dave Read
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Ray Ogilvie" <Lochmond at msn.com>
>  I would like to convert my mostly solid food diet
> to mostly liquid for Brevets of 300k or more.
>  What products work best?
>  I also suffer from sour/ upset stomach at about
> the same distance (300k).
>  Any suggestions?
>
>  Thanks.
>  Ray O.
>
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