[OrRando] Nutrition
Michael Ford
mcford100 at msn.com
Wed May 23 21:06:37 PDT 2007
OK, I'm in! Now where's that canvas TA handlebar bag...
Mike
www.michaelcurtisford.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jkeenan(Yahoo Account)
To: Oregon area Randonneurs
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
Michael,
Nope..I was serious... I think a Retro Rando would be fun. Don't know how others feel about it, but something different. Okay..maybe I've been in China too long!!
And although I designed a plastic Randonneurs of China jersey, my first thought was wool. Maybe next year.
When it comes to nutrition, it's really a tough thing to recommend and my advice has always been try, try, and try and find out what works best for "ye".
No animals were harmed in this exchange (grin)
Cheers
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Ford
To: Oregon area Randonneurs
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
Yikes--I know you were writing tongue-in-cheek, Joe, but the impression from your response and from Susan's is that I came across as an uber retro-grouch who's against all progress because it's, well, progress. Actually, I ride an unlugged ti frame with a carbon fork, indexed shifting and clip-in pedals, and I have enough plastic bike jerseys to fill a closet. OK, I admit, I've been sighted here and there wearing my wool OR Rando jersey. Just don't tell anybody.
I know I strayed somewhat off-topic, because obviously Ray had tried solid foods, they didn't work for him, and he was asking for advice on liquid alternatives.
However, Ray's situation aside, I do think the need for processed energy foods and drinks is vastly ove - , and that perceptions are often created by the intense hype and marketing of the energy food companies. Which is not to say these products are not helpful to some people (obviously, many on this list). Nevertheless, it should be respectfully pointed out, especially to those just getting into distance cycling, that liquid foods are not a prerequisite for good performance, or for having a good time on the bike, and that many riders can do just as well, and more cheaply, by brown-bagging it or by purchasing wisely at restaurants and convenience stores. Indeed, if they're trying to find their groove on the bike, and experimenting with Spitzs and Hammers and Heeds and the like, they might also do well to experiment with a light cold-cut sandwich, a Payday bar, a fruit yogurt, or (my favorite) a Baggy full of fresh dates (they'll give you more of a rush than caffeine Goo, and are easily digestible).
Mike
www.michaelcurtisford.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jkeenan(Yahoo Account)
To: Oregon area Randonneurs
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
Michael,
I love your ideas, but technology changes things, including the bikes we ride along with the added convenience today of food marts in everything from a bar to a gas station.
Hmm.. a "Retro Rando" where you can only eat in actual food establishments and have to carry only what "they" did a 100 years ago. So Susan.....how about a "Retro Rando" in 2008 with no food stocked controls, no clipless pedals, and (what else could be "retro"), but during the summer so I can ride. (grin)
Cheers
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Ford
To: Oregon area Randonneurs
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
I don't know, guys. This whole "liquid diet" thing seems to veer way beyond the definition of randonneuring (at least _my_ definition of randonneuring) and perilously close to the domain of ultra-distance racing, or something. To me, part of the pleasure of long-distance, self-supporting cycling is to be able to pop into that out-of-the way greasy spoon and sample some blueberry pie, or stop by a nearby Subway and get a six-incher with extra jalapenos. Even a brown banana out of a jersey pocket is, for me, 100 times preferable to a bottle of some packaged, powdered, chemical Franken-drink, and a simple 50/50 mixture of water and calcium-fortified OJ has probably 90% of the benefits of a commercial sports drink, lacking perhaps only the added protein (which I can get much more pleasurably from a peanut-butter sandwich in a ziploc bag).
Of course the key to successfully assimilating solid foods while riding is to nibble constantly, rather than eat an actual "meal" at any one time.
That said, I often bring along drink powders and/or packages of gel for supplements or emergencies. I rarely use them, however, and often end up throwing them away simply for reasons of expired shelf life. Somehow, randonneurs survived quite nicely without these products for a hundred years or so. Unless I qualify for RAAM (not!), I really don't see a need for them.
Mike
www.michaelcurtisford.com
----- Original Message -----
From: daveread at comcast.net
To: Oregon area Randonneurs
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
Hi Ray, I used to suffer from the sour stomach syndrome on 600K+ rides. I have found the following things helpful for me (your mileage may vary).
1) Staying away from simple sugars like Coke, candy, cookies, etc. (although I make an exception for chocolate milk).
2) Limiting my intake of sports bars like cliff bars and power bars. I still eat them but I try to mix them in with other stuff.
3) Taking a zantac or something similar if my stomach starts to feel strange. Peptobysmil tablets have helped too.
4) Hammer Gel and Perpetum work well for me but I have been thinking about trying spitz.
5) Eating good nutritious solid foods and staying away from fast/junk food.
6) I tried the liquid diet thing but found I just stayed too hungry even with enough calories.
7) Hot coffee can sometimes cause me problems.
Hope that helps. Dave Read
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From: "Ray Ogilvie" <Lochmond at msn.com>
I would like to convert my mostly solid food diet
to mostly liquid for Brevets of 300k or more.
What products work best?
I also suffer from sour/ upset stomach at about
the same distance (300k).
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Ray O.
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