[OrRando] Nutrition (and rando old-school style? :) )
joel metz
magpie at blackbirdsf.org
Wed May 23 20:44:34 PDT 2007
id go for a retro rando - but then im sure my ideas on it are fairly
clear, given that my ideas of energy drinks to be consumed during
rides are milkshakes and beer, and i ride in shorts, tshirts and wool
jerseys on a lugged steel bike with toeclips, friction shifting, and
12 speeds :) (and that i typically start brevets with a veritable
picnic basket of a bag full of bananas, pbj sandwiches and baguettes
filled with brie or tomatoes and avocado...)
ive also had fairly rotten luck with energy drinks, though - i have
an immense distaste for artificial flavors, so that means just about
all of them just leave me wanting to spit them out - and some much
worse (i had to dump my entire supply of apple-berry cytomax or
whatever it was on my sf-pdx ride in 2003 because it was trying to
make my insides leap out my mouth...)
but i also have the advantage of over a decade of wolfing down large
quantities of whatever food is available and then hopping back on the
bike immediately - another aspect of rando that messengering is good
"training" for :)
in all seriousness, even with what little experience i have with the
non-solid "food" and riding, it really is just a matter of keep
trying things until you find something that works. just dont try the
powdered bread flavor energy drink mix they were selling at some
controls on pbp 2003... ugh... it was a fit of desperation that shall
never again be repeated...
-joel
At 11:22 +0800 05.24.2007, Jkeenan\(Yahoo Account\) wrote:
>Michael,
>
>Nope..I was serious... I think a Retro Rando would be fun. Don't
>know how others feel about it, but something different.
>Okay..maybe I've been in China too long!!
>
>And although I designed a plastic Randonneurs of China jersey, my
>first thought was wool. Maybe next year.
>
>When it comes to nutrition, it's really a tough thing to recommend
>and my advice has always been try, try, and try and find out what
>works best for "ye".
>
>No animals were harmed in this exchange (grin)
>
>Cheers
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:mcford100 at msn.com>Michael Ford
>To: <mailto:orrando at tire.patch.com>Oregon area Randonneurs
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>Yikes--I know you were writing tongue-in-cheek, Joe, but the
>impression from your response and from Susan's is that I came
>across as an uber retro-grouch who's against all progress because
>it's, well, progress. Actually, I ride an unlugged ti frame with a
>carbon fork, indexed shifting and clip-in pedals, and I have enough
>plastic bike jerseys to fill a closet. OK, I admit, I've been
>sighted here and there wearing my wool OR Rando jersey. Just don't
>tell anybody.
>
>I know I strayed somewhat off-topic, because obviously Ray had tried
>solid foods, they didn't work for him, and he was asking for advice
>on liquid alternatives.
>
>However, Ray's situation aside, I do think the need for processed
>energy foods and drinks is vastly ove - , and that perceptions are
>often created by the intense hype and marketing of the energy food
>companies. Which is not to say these products are not helpful to
>some people (obviously, many on this list). Nevertheless, it should
>be respectfully pointed out, especially to those just getting into
>distance cycling, that liquid foods are not a prerequisite for good
>performance, or for having a good time on the bike, and that many
>riders can do just as well, and more cheaply, by brown-bagging it or
>by purchasing wisely at restaurants and convenience stores. Indeed,
>if they're trying to find their groove on the bike, and
>experimenting with Spitzs and Hammers and Heeds and the like, they
>might also do well to experiment with a light cold-cut sandwich, a
>Payday bar, a fruit yogurt, or (my favorite) a Baggy full of fresh
>dates (they'll give you more of a rush than caffeine Goo, and are
>easily digestible).
>
>Mike
><http://www.michaelcurtisford.com>www.michaelcurtisford.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:jkeenan0407 at yahoo.com>Jkeenan(Yahoo Account)
>To: <mailto:orrando at tire.patch.com>Oregon area Randonneurs
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>Michael,
>
>I love your ideas, but technology changes things, including the
>bikes we ride along with the added convenience today of food marts
>in everything from a bar to a gas station.
>
>Hmm.. a "Retro Rando" where you can only eat in actual food
>establishments and have to carry only what "they" did a 100 years
>ago. So Susan.....how about a "Retro Rando" in 2008 with no food
>stocked controls, no clipless pedals, and (what else could be
>"retro"), but during the summer so I can ride. (grin)
>
>Cheers
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:mcford100 at msn.com>Michael Ford
>To: <mailto:orrando at tire.patch.com>Oregon area Randonneurs
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:05 AM
>Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>I don't know, guys. This whole "liquid diet" thing seems to veer way
>beyond the definition of randonneuring (at least _my_ definition of
>randonneuring) and perilously close to the domain of ultra-distance
>racing, or something. To me, part of the pleasure of long-distance,
>self-supporting cycling is to be able to pop into that out-of-the
>way greasy spoon and sample some blueberry pie, or stop by a nearby
>Subway and get a six-incher with extra jalapenos. Even a brown
>banana out of a jersey pocket is, for me, 100 times preferable to a
>bottle of some packaged, powdered, chemical Franken-drink, and a
>simple 50/50 mixture of water and calcium-fortified OJ has probably
>90% of the benefits of a commercial sports drink, lacking perhaps
>only the added protein (which I can get much more pleasurably from a
>peanut-butter sandwich in a ziploc bag).
>
>Of course the key to successfully assimilating solid foods while
>riding is to nibble constantly, rather than eat an actual "meal" at
>any one time.
>
>That said, I often bring along drink powders and/or packages of gel
>for supplements or emergencies. I rarely use them, however, and
>often end up throwing them away simply for reasons of expired shelf
>life. Somehow, randonneurs survived quite nicely without these
>products for a hundred years or so. Unless I qualify for RAAM
>(not!), I really don't see a need for them.
>
>Mike
><http://www.michaelcurtisford.com>www.michaelcurtisford.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:daveread at comcast.net>daveread at comcast.net
>To: <mailto:orrando at tire.patch.com>Oregon area Randonneurs
>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [OrRando] Nutrition
>
>Hi Ray, I used to suffer from the sour stomach syndrome on 600K+
>rides. I have found the following things helpful for me (your
>mileage may vary).
>
>1) Staying away from simple sugars like Coke, candy, cookies,
>etc. (although I make an exception for chocolate milk).
>2) Limiting my intake of sports bars like cliff bars and power bars.
>I still eat them but I try to mix them in with other stuff.
>3) Taking a zantac or something similar if my stomach starts to feel
>strange. Peptobysmil tablets have helped too.
>4) Hammer Gel and Perpetum work well for me but I have been thinking
>about trying spitz.
>5) Eating good nutritious solid foods and staying away from fast/junk food.
>6) I tried the liquid diet thing but found I just stayed too hungry
>even with enough calories.
>7) Hot coffee can sometimes cause me problems.
>
>Hope that helps. Dave Read
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Ray Ogilvie" <Lochmond at msn.com>
>
> I would like to convert my mostly solid food diet
>to mostly liquid for Brevets of 300k or more.
> What products work best?
> I also suffer from sour/ upset stomach at about
>the same distance (300k).
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
> Ray O.
>
>
>
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i know what innocence looks like - and it wasn't there,
after she got that bicycle...
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