[OrRando] Insoles?

Wed May 30 21:47:18 PDT 2007

Well, I've got the hard saddle and agree with that, but I am not sure that I agree with the hard shoe concept.  But we'll see.  I ve got 125 or miles on  6/2 and 180 or so mile son 6/9 to test the gels . . . 

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Susan France <susanfrance at teleport.com>
> I sure glad those Gel saddles weren't banned when I did RAAM. I needed all the 
> gel I could get between my bruised bottom and the road vibration. I suppose wool 
> fleece, airline pillows, and seats turned backwards should be banned too... but 
> they've all been used in long distance cycling.
> 
> I don't like hard things in my shoes. Those hard things turn into bruises that 
> swell and then one ends up looking in their shoe for the mysterious lumps... 
> which is not in the shoe, but in the foot. I was absolutely certain I had gravel 
> in my shoes 5 days into RAAM.
> 
> Susan.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Kamp, David" <david.kamp at hp.com>
> >Sent: May 30, 2007 12:43 PM
> >To: Oregon area Randonneurs <orrando at tire.patch.com>
> >Subject: RE: [OrRando] Insoles?
> >
> >Gel saddles have been banned by long distance cyclists because the gel
> >squishes and causes weight to be distributed in soft places where it
> >begins to hurt after a long time.  Also, it moves around, leading to
> >abrasion sorts of problems with the skin against the chamois.  Hard
> >saddles like the Brooks B17 are recommended for long distance touring.
> >I wonder if the same argument applies for gel inserts in shoes.  The
> >metatarsal button in Specialized shoes, for example, is a hard-ish
> >button, not a gel thing.  Just a thought.
> >
> >At PAC Tour Desert Camp Lon Haldeman says "If it hurts, fix it.  Do
> >experiments until you get to where it fits."  He applies this to the
> >bike and to apparel.  His admonishments had me lowering my saddle 3 mm
> >at a time for three times (nearly 1 cm!), and raising my handlebars
> >about 2 cm.  Still not perfect, but better.  He says conventional wisdom
> >isn't for everyone, which is why he tried moving his cleats back.
> >Because of Lon's wisdom I'm more inclined to try different things now
> >instead of sticking to formulas.  
> >
> >David Kamp 
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com
> >[mailto:orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com] On Behalf Of
> >cecilanne at comcast.net
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:20 PM
> >To: Oregon area Randonneurs
> >Subject: RE: [OrRando] Insoles?
> >
> >Hmm, there's a thought - thanks.  I put some Dr. S gel insoles in for
> >yesterday's 104-miler, and had no pain - I was not, however, hammering
> >as much as usual.  We'll see what happens during next Saturday's 125 . .
> >
> >
> >cecil
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >From: "Kamp, David" <david.kamp at hp.com>
> >> Lon Haldeman (early RAAM fame) drilled new holes in his shoes and 
> >> moved his cleats back about an inch.  It put the pedal axle behind the
> >
> >> metatarsals and closer to the middle of the arch where he gets better 
> >> stress distribution.  -David Kamp
> >> 
> >> ________________________________
> >> 
> >> From: orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com
> >> [mailto:orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com] On Behalf Of Jon Beilby
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:29 PM
> >> To: Oregon area Randonneurs
> >> Subject: Re: [OrRando] Insoles?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> try the specialized bicycle shoe insoles, they have a raised ridge and
> >
> >> a metatarsel button, I was having a major problem last fall and when I
> >
> >> began using these in my sidi mountain bike shoes with frogs it helped 
> >> a bunch, they come in different colors with each color having more or 
> >> less shape to them, no problems on the 400k except for a stretch from 
> >> harrisburg to albany when we were working hard and I don't think we 
> >> had a foot down for a couple hours.
> >> other things that help some folks are:
> >> move the cleat back as far as it will go on the shoe, may require shoe
> >
> >> surgery don't stand so much spin, don't mash,
> >>  
> >> good luck,
> >> jon
> >> 
> >>  
> >> On 5/26/07, Susan France <susanfrance at teleport.com> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 	In addition to having a delicate digestive system I also
> >inherited my
> >> 	father's wide, flat feet. I'm very prone to hot foot. The
> >solution 
> >> during
> >> 	RAAM was that every time I was off the bike my feet (shoes and
> >> all) were in
> >> 	a bucket of ice water. No very convenient for Randoing.
> >> Podiatrist told me
> >> 	to blame my Dad but I simply did not have good feet for cycling
> >and 
> >> no
> >> 	insole was going to help the sloppy structure of my feet.
> >> 	
> >> 	I will get hot feet in anything over about 72 degrees. I
> >switched to 
> >> Shimano
> >> 	Sandals over a decade ago. I buy them in bulk and keep them in
> >the 
> >> closet as
> >> 	I wear them out. In the summer I like to put in an insole like a
> >Dr 
> >> Sholls
> >> 	Blue Gel...the extra cush seems to help. Of course you'll always
> >see 
> >> me with
> >> 	my insole hanging out the back or the front of my sandals...
> >> (maybe some 
> >> 	double sided tape is in order?) The insole breaks down after
> >about 1 
> >> summer.
> >> 	The sandals are nice because they a flatter than most cycling 
> >> shoes...
> >> 	better not to be wear a shoe shaped like a pair of stilettos if
> >you 
> >> get hot
> >> 	feet! You can loosen them up as your feet swell, the air
> >circulates 
> >> better,
> >> 	and, what I like best of all.... you can douse your feet with
> >water 
> >> from you
> >> 	bottle or camelback without getting off the bike. I also have
> >been 
> >> known to
> >> 	soak my feet (sandals & all) in roadside stream or under
> >faucets. I 
> >> can
> >> 	guarantee the sandals hold up just fine.
> >> 	
> >> 	Susan.
> >> 	
> >> 	-----Original Message-----
> >> 	From: orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com
> >> 	[mailto:orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com]On Behalf Of
> >> 	cecilanne at comcast.net
> >> 	Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:05 PM 
> >> 	To: oregon area Randonneurs
> >> 	Subject: [OrRando] Insoles?
> >> 	
> >> 	
> >> 	Recently on my 100+ mile rides I have been experiencing "hot
> >foot" 
> >> sooner
> >> 	and more intensely than usual.  I am thinking some new insoles
> >in the
> >> 	battered shoes might help (can't afford new shoes) - but I am
> >not 
> >> sure if i
> >> 	should just go with good ol' Dr. Scholl's or if there is another
> >
> >> brand/type
> >> 	out there I should try.  Any suggestions?
> >> 	
> >> 	Cecil
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