[OrRando] Insoles?

[Kamp, David]

Gel saddles have been banned by long distance cyclists because the gel
squishes and causes weight to be distributed in soft places where it
begins to hurt after a long time.  Also, it moves around, leading to
abrasion sorts of problems with the skin against the chamois.  Hard
saddles like the Brooks B17 are recommended for long distance touring.
I wonder if the same argument applies for gel inserts in shoes.  The
metatarsal button in Specialized shoes, for example, is a hard-ish
button, not a gel thing.  Just a thought.

At PAC Tour Desert Camp Lon Haldeman says "If it hurts, fix it.  Do
experiments until you get to where it fits."  He applies this to the
bike and to apparel.  His admonishments had me lowering my saddle 3 mm
at a time for three times (nearly 1 cm!), and raising my handlebars
about 2 cm.  Still not perfect, but better.  He says conventional wisdom
isn't for everyone, which is why he tried moving his cleats back.
Because of Lon's wisdom I'm more inclined to try different things now
instead of sticking to formulas.  

David Kamp 

-----Original Message-----
From: orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com
[mailto:orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com] On Behalf Of
cecilanne at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:20 PM
To: Oregon area Randonneurs
Subject: RE: [OrRando] Insoles?

Hmm, there's a thought - thanks.  I put some Dr. S gel insoles in for
yesterday's 104-miler, and had no pain - I was not, however, hammering
as much as usual.  We'll see what happens during next Saturday's 125 . .


cecil

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Kamp, David" <david.kamp at hp.com>
> Lon Haldeman (early RAAM fame) drilled new holes in his shoes and 
> moved his cleats back about an inch.  It put the pedal axle behind the

> metatarsals and closer to the middle of the arch where he gets better 
> stress distribution.  -David Kamp
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com
> [mailto:orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com] On Behalf Of Jon Beilby
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:29 PM
> To: Oregon area Randonneurs
> Subject: Re: [OrRando] Insoles?
> 
> 
> try the specialized bicycle shoe insoles, they have a raised ridge and

> a metatarsel button, I was having a major problem last fall and when I

> began using these in my sidi mountain bike shoes with frogs it helped 
> a bunch, they come in different colors with each color having more or 
> less shape to them, no problems on the 400k except for a stretch from 
> harrisburg to albany when we were working hard and I don't think we 
> had a foot down for a couple hours.
> other things that help some folks are:
> move the cleat back as far as it will go on the shoe, may require shoe

> surgery don't stand so much spin, don't mash,
>  
> good luck,
> jon
> 
>  
> On 5/26/07, Susan France <susanfrance at teleport.com> wrote: 
> 
> 	In addition to having a delicate digestive system I also
inherited my
> 	father's wide, flat feet. I'm very prone to hot foot. The
solution 
> during
> 	RAAM was that every time I was off the bike my feet (shoes and
> all) were in
> 	a bucket of ice water. No very convenient for Randoing.
> Podiatrist told me
> 	to blame my Dad but I simply did not have good feet for cycling
and 
> no
> 	insole was going to help the sloppy structure of my feet.
> 	
> 	I will get hot feet in anything over about 72 degrees. I
switched to 
> Shimano
> 	Sandals over a decade ago. I buy them in bulk and keep them in
the 
> closet as
> 	I wear them out. In the summer I like to put in an insole like a
Dr 
> Sholls
> 	Blue Gel...the extra cush seems to help. Of course you'll always
see 
> me with
> 	my insole hanging out the back or the front of my sandals...
> (maybe some 
> 	double sided tape is in order?) The insole breaks down after
about 1 
> summer.
> 	The sandals are nice because they a flatter than most cycling 
> shoes...
> 	better not to be wear a shoe shaped like a pair of stilettos if
you 
> get hot
> 	feet! You can loosen them up as your feet swell, the air
circulates 
> better,
> 	and, what I like best of all.... you can douse your feet with
water 
> from you
> 	bottle or camelback without getting off the bike. I also have
been 
> known to
> 	soak my feet (sandals & all) in roadside stream or under
faucets. I 
> can
> 	guarantee the sandals hold up just fine.
> 	
> 	Susan.
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com
> 	[mailto:orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com]On Behalf Of
> 	cecilanne at comcast.net
> 	Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:05 PM 
> 	To: oregon area Randonneurs
> 	Subject: [OrRando] Insoles?
> 	
> 	
> 	Recently on my 100+ mile rides I have been experiencing "hot
foot" 
> sooner
> 	and more intensely than usual.  I am thinking some new insoles
in the
> 	battered shoes might help (can't afford new shoes) - but I am
not 
> sure if i
> 	should just go with good ol' Dr. Scholl's or if there is another

> brand/type
> 	out there I should try.  Any suggestions?
> 	
> 	Cecil
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