[OrRando] Re: Longview Bridge

Wed Mar 26 16:52:01 PDT 2008

David asked the Question:  How many PBPs in the northwest can we dream up?
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P-Bandon-P
P-Brookings-P
P-Baker City-P
P-Burns-P
P-Biggs-P
P-Beaverton-P (yuk!)
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600 is a good target...or what about a selection of 1000 routes to choose f=
rom for an annual unsupported OR1000? =

From: david.kamp at hp.comTo: orrando at tire.patch.comDate: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:=
52:10 +0000Subject: RE: [OrRando] Re: Longview Bridge

Well, Phillipe, I like that suggestion very very much.  How many PBPs in th=
e northwest can we dream up?
So how many miles approx would PBP-Bend version be?  Lots of room for adjus=
tments by where in Portland we start and finish, or for how big of a loop o=
f Bend we make, for example.  Just kiss the border or loop the Century Lake=
s Drive for some additional scenery.  If we generate a catalog of Northwest=
 PBPs, perhaps 600K is a good target, as 1200 k gets a bit unwieldy, organi=
zation-wise and participant-wise - too much organization and not very many =
participants.
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Years ago there was this radical ultradistance touring group in So Cal call=
ed Wandervogel.  Now it wouldn't be so radical to ride bikes far.  They'd d=
o something like San Francisco to Los Angeles (SFO to LAX, then fly home af=
ter loading bike in UHaul truck) over two days (200-250 mi/day) with overni=
ght in San Luis Obispo.  Generally run by two or three crew people and a UH=
aul, fixing lunch and a couple of soda breaks, then they'd drive the bikes =
back to the bay area on Monday.  So maximum fun, about 50-60 riders, and mi=
nimum orgainzation (1 truck, crew of 3, lunch fixings, snacks, motel reserv=
ations, plane tickets, and bike shuttle).  Other rides, Fall Frolic (Sequoi=
a and Kings Canyon parks), etc.  I'd like to revive the concept.  Those guy=
s, Roger Wood and company, have grown up, married, and have little kids and=
 other family obligations, so Wandervogel kind of withered.  Hope insurance=
 and or legal matters don't mess things up.  The point is to ride in a Supe=
rTour type manner.  http://supertour.home.att.net/  Maybe we can learn how =
to handle ins. etc through SuperTour folks, I know a few.
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David Kamp

From: orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com [mailto:orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com=
] On Behalf Of Philippe AndreSent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:28 PMTo: Ore=
gon area RandonneursSubject: RE: [OrRando] Re: Longview Bridge
Why not be consistent with PBP: Portland - Bend - Portland. Besides there's=
 a McMinamans in Bend(Susan would like the St. Francis School) and some gre=
at beer at the Deschutes Brewery. Just think of the possibilities for the r=
oute. The North Umpqua, McKenzie Pass, Crater Lake, etc. cheers, Philippe> =
From: david.kamp at hp.com> To: orrando at tire.patch.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008=
 19:02:49 +0000> Subject: RE: [OrRando] Re: Longview Bridge> > PBP, Portlan=
d-Bremerton-Portland. This jogs my memory. Couple years ago we mused on POP=
, Portland-Ontario-Portland, a longer-than-1200K-brevet. But if we started =
way east from Portland and just kissed the west reach of Ontario, we'd mayb=
e have a cool ride close to the internationally accepted 1200K. Or we could=
 actually start our odomoters after leaving Portland, like Govt Camp, then =
take extra credit for the P-GovC leg. Well, at least scouting the route wou=
ld be fun. It's loosely in the late summer credit card tour plans. Anyone g=
ame for this, contact me off list.> > David Kamp> E-: david.kamp at hp.com> Te=
l: 541-760-5221 (C)> > -----Original Message-----> From: orrando-bounces at ti=
re.patch.com [mailto:orrando-bounces at tire.patch.com] On Behalf Of Del Schar=
ffenberg> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 3:21 PM> To: Oregon area Randonneur=
s> Subject: [OrRando] Re: Longview Bridge> > Up until the OrRando era, that=
 bridge was part of our annual 600k route, both going north and returning s=
outh. From 1987 through 2005 we had our own PBP route (Portland-Bremerton-P=
ortland). As mentioned, STP also uses it, the one day of the year when on a=
 bike you have numbers on your side.> > It's not a bad crossing, but does r=
equire "sharing the road". You can hop up on the sidewalk if you want to, s=
imilar to the Sellwood Bridge, rideable but narrow.> > ____________________=
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